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tokenstar888
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« Thread Started on Oct 7, 2009, 7:41pm » | |
new to site and have first of probably many greyhound questions. so sorry if i get annoying 
i have just brought 2 bitch pups into my kennels. both havn't had a seasonal yet. both broke in well so i want to keep them in work, but in saying that i want to hopefully breed a litter from both of them after racing..
I've heard pro's and cons about nandoral. Is it a good solution to seasonals. or other there problems wih it (ie racing,breeding ect ect)
or on the other end of the scale, do i allow for the seasonals and let mother nature take care of it!!
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« Reply #1 on Oct 7, 2009, 9:33pm » | |
First up I'm personally not a fan of Ethylestrenol [Nandoral] in the majority of bitches....but I would strongly suggest it is wise to let your bitches have their first season so as to start up their seasonal cycle with a view to the future, then it's trial and error to see how they go on Ethylestrenol, hopefully for you they will be bitches that don't have untoward side effects from it's administration.
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« Reply #2 on Oct 8, 2009, 12:18pm » | |
Ok than. So i'll them have there first seasonal than put them on nandoral and im assuming,one will bring other bitch on and should have similar seasons!??
Im gathering Nandoral doesn't sit well with some trainers!!
besides the obvious, what are the pro's and cons for nandoral??
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« Reply #3 on Oct 8, 2009, 7:51pm » | |
You could try Nitrotain instead of the Nandoral tablets. It is virtually the same stuff, made for horses, but a lot of bitches seem to go better on it than the tablets. Many bitches have also come in season while on Nandoral, as well as turning a lot of bitches sour and moody.
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« Reply #5 on Oct 11, 2009, 7:28pm » | |
Thanks heaps guys!! appreciate the advice!!
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« Reply #6 on Oct 12, 2009, 2:05pm » | |
Tokenstar, I agree with whats above. You'll find that using the nitrotain paste is heaps cheaper than the nandoral tablets. And yes they are exactly the same chemical- the only difference is that you know exactly how much is in a tablet whereas when you use the paste its a bit of guess work- a dob the size of a match head each night on their dinner seems to do the trick. Side effects you would need to look out for are swelling of the clitoris or any discharge from the vulva. Performance wise some bitches can go sour and lose interest in chasing. Having said that it seems to work fine for 99% of bitches.
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« Reply #7 on Oct 12, 2009, 8:00pm » | |
Thanks Zaphod.
I havn't used nitrotain before, but have been told its good!! i booked in for my vet so i'll go from there!!
I was reading the dosage is 0.33 of a gram on the toungue before dinner!! Is this a fairly accurate dosage amount, cos i did notice on the nature vet site and other forum discussions. that the major issue was its potency (compared to a tablet with a standard measurement through every tablet) as its a Horse steroid!!
would a diabetic syringe of 0.33grams be a required dosage??
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« Reply #8 on Oct 13, 2009, 11:32am » | |
Yes token, your on the right track with the syringe - nitrotain paste comes in this big black horse sized syringe, too dig to control the dosage, so I use an empty 3 ml syringe, take out the plunger and fill it with the nitrotain paste and then each night I squirt a match head sized dob onto the top of their dinner - you'll find that 0.33 grams is about 0.1 ml which is what a match head size is. I've got 5 bitches - one did get a reaction against it - no problems with the others.
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« Reply #9 on Nov 6, 2009, 7:17pm » | |
Does this substance swab
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« Reply #10 on Nov 6, 2009, 7:29pm » | |
Well, it might show in a swab, but it and Nandoral are allowed to keep bitches off season, so you won't get into trouble if it is picked up in a swab.
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« Reply #11 on Nov 7, 2009, 8:05pm » | |
The current recommended dose of Nitrotain paste is .13ml (zero point one three millilitres) apparently some bitches break through on .1ml. This dosage is recommended by Sandown Vet Clinic.
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« Reply #12 on Nov 11, 2009, 10:11pm » | |
i used the nandranol when i first got my licence and my bitches cam onto season so it was a waste of money but then i used nitrotain paste adn my bitches never came on season only when i stoped using it did they then come in season but if i was to use any thing i would use the nitrotain paste i would reckonmend it to anyone for seasonal
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